How Churches Recruit and How They Make Them Stay

Recruiting, Retaining and Re-Training Into Religion

The Questions that I asked was this:

I am wondering if anyone could clear this up. I am talking about people who joined Jim Jones and Waco Texas cults and other such groups. What is their hold? Is it mass hypnotism or what? Any ideas? Y

It was brought to my mind when I wrote a hub about another question on The Bible and What Jesus said in the Bible. What I got was a few people responded in a very negative way and then I found that these same people could not or would not read the scriptures that I had put in it. The immediately got all upset with me and how I told the story of Jesus. The things that got me was that I never told the story of Jesus in my article at all.

I had written something about cults before and they pretty much fit those characteristics. So I posed the question about such things as Cults and how the church gets and keeps them.

Here is one of the answers that I received from someone who has been in a cult before and managed to get out.

She is a member of Hubpages and her Profile Page is Say Yes To Life

"People who join religious cults do so because they’re convinced their religion is Absolute Truth. All a hoodwinking guru has to do is convince them they have the Real Scoop on their Holy Scriptures, and provide a few convincing examples. I knew someone who personally met David Koresh; he was one of those super rigid thinkers who kept criticizing the SDA church, saying they were apostate. Once he got a bunch of followers into his “utopian” compound, they were too brainwashed to realize the perversions he was into. When the authorities broke into the compound, they saw it as Worldly Persecution. Cult members are typically told they have privileged information, and that the rest of the world is going to hell. They are also taught to expect persecution from the world, which is why it’s not a good idea to confront a cult member bluntly, since that will automatically put them on the defensive, and they may even drop you.

As for Jim Jones, he recruited members by love-bombing the down-and-out, which is another common tactic for recruiting cult members. He lured them into his version of utopia, which was Jonestown, on a whole other continent. Once they were isolated helpless, and unable to escape, he could do whatever he wanted. He reinforced that through sleep deprivation, random torture, and other means.

I’m still studying this, but I believe the best way to avoid getting hoodwinked into a religious cult is to maintain an open mind and study other cultures. It is also good to understand psychology and how life works, so you’re less intimidated by people who claim to have access to a Higher Deity."

Church As A Business

DO NOT THINK THAT THOSE WHO GO THROUGH RELIGIOUS EDUCATION TO BECOME CLERGY ARE NOT TAUGHT THIS FOR THEY ARE. They do take or are taught everything about Psychology.
They are also taught first thing about financial things as keeping and bringing in money.
Church is a business and has been run like this for a very long time.

Psychology Of Special People

There are people who are feeling low about themselves and just need a sense of belonging. The people can range in age of teens to adult. They all have a problem with self-esteem. They blame themselves for everything bed, or what they perceive as bad, in their lives and those around them on themselves. They feel like they cannot go on and are at the end of their rope. They cannot see what they have add to their situation and soon learn that everything is everyone elses problems and faults. The have not learned to see in the mirror or they have and they do not like what they see and then the blame game begins. No not me, they say.

Another dashingscorpio also commented on my question and had this to say:

"The idea of simply "checking out" of the mainstream (rat race) might seem very appealing who is tired and fed up with the way their life is going. Having a "leader" who offers you food, water, and shelter in exchange for working the land and following their rules seems fair enough. Like minded people are attracted to like minded people and those they admire for living/believing and "evolving" to heights he or she aspires to.

A leader who is good looking, intelligent, charming and he pays attention to those who society ignores; becomes "godlike" in the eyes of the recruit who is looking for someone to guide or lead them."

Someone that I have met before told me his story of how he got into a church. He told me that things were not going right in his life and he was getting drunk all the time and treating women badly. He thought that the things in his life were out of control. Walking down the street one day, he just happened to go into a church, he told me. It was also the best thing that he ever did was start going to church. Well this person was nice when I first met him and then his demeanor and actions and reactions changed, almost overnight. I knew he had gotten into something worse than he ever had done before. I was truly scared for him. I still am a bit, but I am finding that the more I try to help him and talk about religion, he gets really agitated and mean.

There is another person on the internet that exhibits the same things. She has called me names and has attacked me and then turns around and states that I was the first to attack. For some reason she cannot see anything such as biblical scriptures and really is mean too though she does not see it. I will get to why she cannot and may not ever see those un-christ-like behaviors and sadly my friend cannot either.

Maslow Hierarchy of Needs

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

Source: Wikicommons

Expanded Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, Human Needs, Self Actualization, Humanistic Psychology

Characteristics of self-actualizers

1. They perceive reality efficiently and can tolerate uncertainty;

2. Accept themselves and others for what they are;

3. Spontaneous in thought and action;

4. Problem-centered (not self-centered);

5. Unusual sense of humor;

6. Able to look at life objectively;

7. Highly creative;

8. Resistant to enculturation, but not purposely unconventional;

9. Concerned for the welfare of humanity;

10. Capable of deep appreciation of basic life-experience;

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

Maslow was a psychologist who brought about the five important needs every person needs in their life. He developed this in 1943. In the 1960's and 1970's more was added to incorporate the business perspectives..

The list of need from the bottom, which is the very basic of human needs to the top which it to top most need of human beings.

·        The first and most basic needs are such things a food, water, sleep, warmth and sex and shelter.

·        security, protection from the environment, order and law

·        love, a sense of belonging, friendship, family, relationship with others

·        self-esteem, achievement, responsibility, respect, appreciated, value

·        cognitive things such as knowledge, reasoning, think, intelligence

·        aesthetic such as beauty and balance

·        Self Actualization which simply means things about and dealing with your self such as self fulfillment, self confidence, independent, personal and spiritual growth,

·        transcendence which means teaching and helping others achieve their self actualizations.

People in the first three hierarchy of needs are easily taken by the church. The church likes to keep them there.

When you reach the self-esteem stage, the church will allow you some space in this as they give you ways to boost your self-esteem and worthiness, but it is limited. Start asking question that they deem wrong and you may be punished in some way.

Those who have been brought in by the church and are told to believe everything they are told often lose ground at this time and either they will break free or stay because they have been threatened with Hell and Damnation or the will cause that on others.

Some parishioners will become quite a bit negative, calling names and that sort of thing because they truly believe that others are going to hell and will burn in a lake of fire.

Those of us who break free go on to the next steps in the hierarchy. We begin to see the places and stances the church puts on people. We no longer need to be told what to believe but to gain knowledge of all that is out here and to realize our self for what we are, not what others have to make of us. We then gain an awareness of the world around us and how we equate with it.

"Psychologist Abraham Maslow (1943, 1954) stated that human motivation is based on people seeking fulfillment and change through personal growth. Self-actualized people are those who were fulfilled and doing all they were capable of.

The growth of self-actualization (Maslow, 1962) refers to the need for personal growth and discovery that is present throughout a person’s life. For Maslow, a person is always 'becoming' and never remains static in these terms. In self-actualization a person comes to find a meaning to life that is important to them."

Pavlov's Dog Conditionng

Conditioning of Dog's and also used on People.

Source: Simple Pshycology

The difference between classical and operant conditioning

Why I Call Them Barking Dogs

Ivan Pavlov was a scientist who wanted to study why and how and when dogs salivated when they were given certain things like food. During his experiments he also found another things that was useful in many ways including socialization and interactions with people in society.

He found that the dogs ended up associating food with the lab assistant and not a treat or a bell or any other apparatus used. That began his learning about CONDITIONING. That was the beginning and is now used for many things. Dog trainers learned to use this in their dog training by allowing the owner or the person whom the dog would be with most of the time to participate in the trainings. The dog would associate with that person.

Religious educated people such as the clergy, priests, rabbi's, ministers who attend schooling for their careers also learn these things. It is how they lure you into their church alongside with the above Maslows Hierarchy. They go hand in hand.

"Pavlov developed some rather unfriendly technical terms to describe this process. The unconditioned stimulus (or UCS) is the object or event that originally produces the reflexive / natural response.

The response to this is called the unconditioned response (or UCR). The neutral stimulus (NS) is a new stimulus that does not produce a response.

Once the neutral stimulus has become associated with the unconditioned stimulus, it becomes a conditioned stimulus (CS). The conditioned response (CR) is the response to the conditioned stimulus."

So when the clergy tell these people on the low end of Maslow's Hierachy of Needs that no one else is right but them, they are being conditioned. When someone points out the truth or another view they refuse to believe it as fact. That is where the "BARKING DOG" comes from. Most times they will not believe. They will shout and scream at the person. They will not even read the facts, but will attack them and then say that they did not do this.

They may not realize or eer realize, they are doing this because they have been conditioned. Strangely it does not have to take a lot of time to do this especially if the leader or clergy know how this is done and knows how to use it for the business of getting people in and retaining them in their church.....or cult. Cults use this alot too.

The Return To Feminine Energy

A while back I was searching for the answer to why I have heard about Jesus coming back as a woman. What I am really trying to find is why they left out all feminism in that Bible and then anybody who believes in that concept is something very undesirable. These are some of the things that I have found.

The Age of Aquarius represents the return to higher frequency of light energy which vibrates faster and brings consciousness to higher levels of awareness. Aquarius represents the feminine archetype - the goddess or priestess. It is also connects with the right side of the brain which is the intuitive, creative side of our experience in third dimension.

Aquarius represents the higher chakras - heart, throat, third eye, and crown.

There is a 26,000 year cycle of time called the Equinoxes. Approximately every 13,000 the cycles changes from the masculine energies - (Leo through Pisces) - to the feminine energies (Aquarius through Virgo).

We have entered the timeline of Aquarius - 'She' who returns humanity to the higher frequencies - and the spiritual teachings lost approximately 13,000 at the Age of Aquarius, when human consciousness spiraled down to third dimension to experience duality - linear time - and emotions. This is all based on a blueprint created by Sacred Geometry.

http://www.crystalinks.com/aquarius.html

Anima and Animus Two final aspects of personality remain for consideration in regard to midlife development.

Jung postulates that each individual has both male and female components of the psyche. For a male the feminine component is the anima, and for a female it is the animus. Part and parcel of human biological and psychological development is this mixture of masculine and feminine energies.

These energies are theoretical constructs or concepts, which are useful for explanation but are not identical with gender. The separation of these concepts from gender is very difficult to maintain in the English language because of the similarity of words. Masculine energy and male and feminine energy and female seem to be the same but are not. The concepts may be better understood if viewed from a different context.

In Eastern cultures the Tao symbol with its Yin and Yang energies is expressive of the same idea. The Tao symbol, consisting of a circle divided in two equal portions each containing an element of the other, indicates that all of creation is composed of two energies held in harmony and interaction.  http://www.lessons4living.com/anima_and_animus.htm

Integration of the Cosmic Fire of the Solar Goddess

The powerful energy that you have been experiencing in these last months has been the energy of the Solar Divine Feminine, released from the Galactic Center and transmitted to you via the powerful Solar flare of December. That Solar vortex is still active on the sun's surface, and is transmitting these energy codes into the Earth's crystalline energy grid system right now. For the month of March, Venus will be in Aries, and the Solar Goddess will assist your process of integration.

The Solar energy of the Divine female is a powerful archetypal energy, best expressed as Sekmet, the Egyptian Lioness goddess, or Pele, the volcano fire goddess of Hawaii. She finds her reflection in Mary Magdalene of the Christian tradition, for the fire Goddesses always have a strong passionate and sexual energy as well. In the eastern traditions, Kali would best exemplify this energy. Its nature is strength, power, and creativity.

http://www.starchildglobal.com/starchild/march2007.html

Welcoming the Solar Feminine Energy to Earth

When the Earth Grid was manipulated to exclude the Solar Feminine, humans forgot that women would be Powerful Creators. Their creative functions were limited to childbirth, and the Lunar Goddesses became the "mothers" and the keepers of the Feminine Energy on Earth. As a result, in the dualistic and rational belief systems (Christianity) that took hold on Earth, humans were conditioned to define the masculine and the feminine as oppositional, and to assign solar energy to the male and lunar energy to the female. But the ancients knew better, and their pantheons included Solar Goddesses and Lunar Gods.

And so, at this time, humanity is once again recognizing the Solar Feminine energy and the Lunar Male energy.

To embody the Solar Feminine Energy is to be strong, passionate, creative and energetic. It is a Creative energy, and belongs to artists, writers, musicians, and dancers. (The Solar Masculine, by contrast, channels this energy into the mental sphere and produces philosophers, scientists, politicians and business people). The Lunar Feminine energy is gentle, receptive, nurturing and meditative; it is the energy of the Archetypal Mother manifested in nurses, teachers and caregivers. The Lunar Male energy is also gentle, meditative, nurturing and caring, and people who run this energy enjoy professions where they can care for people or support people whether in business or in professions such as doctors, physiotherapists, or even lawyers.

To be a woman and to embody the Solar Feminine energy has been very difficult. Women have conditioned to identify with the Lunar Feminine energy, and those who express their Solar energy have often had to go the route of the Solar Masculine, which sets up Inner Conflicts between a Solar Masculine outer life and a Lunar Feminine model that seems not to "work" or "fit" who they are. With the grounding of the Solar Feminine Energy the Archetypal model of the Fire Goddess and her intense but Feminine Power and Creativity will once again be available to women. There are going to be a lot of women on the Planet who are going to start feeling a lot more comfortable with who and what they are at this time. And a lot of men who will have a better understanding of what their partners and female friends are about.

But also, being able to move an understanding of the Masculine and Feminine energies beyond dualism and into complexity will break the patterns of dualistic thinking and the judgments that so often go with them. People may choose to embody one of the energies, or all of them at different times. Humans will no longer be trapped in "either"/"or" scenarios, but can exercise freedom and choice to express whatever aspects of their being appeals most to them at that time in their lives. It is a choice of aligning with a harmonic and a tone that most suits your sense of who you are. And the return of the Solar Feminine will certainly be the enabler for this new freedom and creativity.

http://www.starchildglobal.com/

Men Didn't Always Rule All People Like They Do Today

How Matriarchy and Patriarchy Reversed In The World

I do think that this religious stuff is going overboard. In this article I will explore some things that I have observed, ask some questions of you and the like. Oh I know that I will get those who think they are scholarly and interject scripture to prove they are right and everyone else is wrong. I may even be called dirty names as has happened before. Those won't be the only things that will go on at my expense just to prove that I am wrong because I simply choose to ask questions.

So moving right along. 

The first observance is The Creation Myth.

Adam

 Whomever wrote the original creation in the book that is called the Bible might have gotten the story correct............BUT and it is a big BUTT (pun intended)...those who chose to put it out for us to see put their slant on it making it look like Adam is superior to anything feminine.  He comes out to be arrogant, conceited and very vain.  I do believe that being vain is something not advised in the rest of the Bible.  So why would Adam be written about in that way?

LILITH

Lilith was Adams first wife, made by God. She's the first to get the bad rap. First of all she didn't like being treated as below Adam. In sex she didn't want to be beneath Adam but beside him. For this she is shunned and finally becomes a myth. In the myth she becomes the Goddess of all evil. Is he was put as a Myth then Adam would have to be MYTH too. Why is it evil to be equal to Adam as God planned it--or did he ever plan it that way since MAN took over the translations of the written word? Whose written word was it, because if you look at it it is supposed to be God's words ......BUTT (pun intended)..............God created Man and Women equal. So just what is Adam's (MAN, not in Mankind, butt MAN as in MALE) problem with equality?

EVE

Now Eve is Adam's second wife. She was to be his helper in the land of Eden, which was supposed to be beautiful and sustain their lives forever. BOTH Adam and Eve were told not to eat of a special tree. I believe that they were set up. If someone is to love and honor and pay reverence to, they wouldn't go looking for ways to make them fall.

So Eve gets all the blame for listening and being deceived (or was it more like truth) by this Serpent...or was it Satan.......there are two variations right in the same book.

If it was a serpent then why would Even listen to him in the first place? Another observance......Why would Adam listen to Eve and then eat of that forbidden fruit? Wasn't Adam given brains too?

If it were Satan, who was supposed to have been the most beautiful Angel and Angel number One that enticed her, the same questions as with him/her being listened too. Beauty is a feminine property. So it is that Satan gets the bad rap as well as Eve. It is also said that Satan didn't want to worship Adam who was a being that God had made. He felt that since he was top Angel that he should have been above Adam in that order of things. So now Eve who is feminine and Satan, who is feminine, all get bad raps and Adam is all good, yet again.

Masculine and Feminine Qualities

Masculine Properties are: Strong, muscular, a provider, logical and analytical, father, competitive, outspoken, initiating, dominant, independent, and authoritative.

Feminine Properties are: soft, graceful, emotional, intuitive, motherly, nurturing, gentle, compassionate, and yielding.

Homosexuals exhibit both masculine and feminine properties. Some females also exhibit the masculine qualities and MALE/Christianity also has a problem with these type individuals.  Isn't this the real reason that MALE (Christianity) cannot get around.  Aren't they confused as to which gender to get their hands on?  Kind of like if you can't convert then you should discriminate...

The funny thing about this is that GOD is supposed to be both feminine and masculine--just like the Homosexuals.  Anybody else see something wrong with this picture and that of Christianity?

The Bible Exposed Creation Myth & Ancient Egypt Matriarch System

MAN (Christianity) lies, deceives and are arrogant.

So who really wrote the creation story? Where is the original? Why has Adam come out smelling like a Rose, when in fact he hates Women? Why has those who re-wrote/transcribed put Adam on the pedestal? Why do they want him to exhibit those properties that are so against the commandments of the God he is supposed to be part of? Why have those who think they know the Bible and the mind of God think that the male side of things is more superior to the feminine. Why did they choose to divide? Why would we trust in those men who have been deceitful, lie and are very arrogant (full of PRIDE) when God is totally opposite----and then teach that to all humankind.

What really is the message of Jesus if you take away that he was a MALE? What is it with MALE (MEN)? Doesn't the Bible teach that PRIDE goeth before a FALL?

More and more do I see MEN (Christianity) attempting to covert others to their sides. Are MEN (Christianity) that afraid that they will be the ones shown in the bad/darkness as they have put the women in for so very long? Are they afraid that women and femininity will make its way back to where it should be? Come on now, are we supposed to be equals? MEN lie and say that women are equal to me. That is a plain LIE and no matter how they wiggle and squirm and deceive, it will always be that way..................as long as men are in charge and take over any resemblance of femininity, because as long as we have that Bible that MAN translated and deceived and changed they will always look arrogant. I guess that is the way they want themselves to look. I guess they think that looks good on them and is less of a sin then putting their own kind and femininity to shame and in the darkness. Isn't this what scares them to death and why they are trying so hard to get what they call "believers"? If they read the Bible for themselves they would see that God calls us to believe and not man. So Why do they need to LIE and Deceive us into believing that Christianity is the only way, when the only way is by God and no one else?

What they don't realize it there is cause and effect or what they have written in that Bible as what ye shall sow ye shall reap. The reaping has begun and it scares them. Just what other LIES are they going to tell us and how much FEAR are they going to use to get us to do something that is not in their best interest? If they are going to use that we all must be believers and that they want everyone

A Few Other Things

One more thing: Catholics are taught that you have to dress respectfully to respect God. That is so funny because God doesn't see what you wear. He sees your thoughts and you cannot cover them at all. Whose idea is it that God has to be respected through vanity and clothing? When Jesus was around most people only had one set of clothes unless you were very rich. Money is the ruling power of Christianity, not God. He didn't create money and how to exploit other genders and races........MAN (Christianity) did.

I was also told that being home and not working outside to the home was an open door to Satan entering my life and taking my soul. Where in the Bible does it say that? This is all about MONEY and more LIES spread by Christianity. It's just one more way that MAN (Christianity) is trying to hold onto their power and stay on that pedestal that they put themselves on from the beginning--or at least when they got their hands on some sacred spiritual writings that they thought that they could use to gain all the power.

Yes, I also get told that I do not go by Christ and I am just a very angry person. Of course I will because I am speaking against an Evil Empire. In the time of Jesus they hung and burned people on crosses because they even thought about such things.

It wasn't only Jesus that died in the way that he did. There were thousands that died that way. They also had to put all those bodies in a huge pit and they called it "The Lake of Fire" or Hades/Gehenna/Hell. Now one wanted to go near it, but they had to do such as that to keep diseases and other terrible things at bay.

Could the scholars who were under pressure to keep Rome in fact twisted some words around that Jesus MIGHT have said?  ...For instance when Jesus said that no one gets to the Father but through him.  He may just have meant his father--Joseph.  Stay with me here because I can hear your grinding wheels turning.  Now in the bible it is believed that Jesus was poor.  In reality he was rich, wealthy, lots of money.  His father, Joseph was the main company of ship building that was very influential in that day.  Any business needs a front person to handle the appointment and meetings and so forth.  Jesus's other brothers did the building and so it makes sense that Jesus was that front person.  Could the scholars while under pressure been told to twist that around just a bit so that they could get more people in the church hence get more money out of them?

I am not against Jesus or God, but for them. They have nothing to do with the modern church or its teachings.

"NEW AGE" hardly

When you read Mark 16 for yourself and not through the church or any type of dogma or doctrine you will see what *they* (because it was NOT Jesus who said this) really meant about what a believer was supposed to believe in. Here is the chapter--it is small--but needs to be shown for understanding, not preaching. The verse numbers have been omitted to show the STORY as it is.

"Mark 16

And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him, and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun, and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?' And having looked, they see that the stone hath been rolled away -- for it was very great, and having entered into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right hand, arrayed in a long white robe, and they were amazed. And he saith to them, `Be not amazed, ye seek Jesus the Nazarene, the crucified: he did rise -- he is not here; lo, the place where they laid him! and go, say to his disciples, and Peter, that he doth go before you to Galilee; there ye shall see him, as he said to you.' And, having come forth quickly, they fled from the sepulchre, and trembling and amazement had seized them, and to no one said they anything, for they were afraid. And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; she having gone, told those who had been with him, mourning and weeping; and they, having heard that he is alive, and was seen by her, did not believe. And after these things, to two of them, as they are going into a field, walking, he was manifested in another form, and they having gone, told to the rest; not even them did they believe. Afterwards, as they are reclining (at meat), he was manifested to the eleven, and did reproach their unbelief and stiffness of heart, because they believed not those having seen him being raised; and he said to them, `Having gone to all the world, proclaim the good news to all the creation; he who hath believed, and hath been baptized, shall be saved; and he who hath not believed, shall be condemned. And signs shall accompany those believing these things; in my name demons they shall cast out; with new tongues they shall speak; serpents they shall take up; and if any deadly thing they may drink, it shall not hurt them; on the ailing they shall lay hands, and they shall be well.' The Lord, then, indeed, after speaking to them, was received up to the heaven, and sat on the right hand of God; and they, having gone forth, did preach everywhere, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word, through the signs following. Amen. "

It wasn't that they were to believe in Jesus Christ, but in that Jesus Christ and everyone (as he said this) is able to Incarnate in another body after death. It does NOT state that you don't or that it is a "NEW AGE" thing. Then he tells them to go tell others of this "miracle". Therefore it becomes common knowledge that there is RE-Incarnation. Those who do not believe will be condemned.....to what? So, whomever does not believe in this miracle and twists it around to church doctrine are condemned---Karma and that is also stated in the bible too, just not the same word. What happen to Jesus as he is in this other body after this? It is never mentioned what happens to him. Does he follow them or start his life again or goes back to his other state? It never says. You can be sure that the Romans didn't know of him if his own family and friends didn't.

Some More Questions Answered

A fellow writer answered some questions about Lilith and Adam and Eve in the comment section and I think it gets overlooked so I am adding it here.

"OK I believe I may hold some of the answers to your questions.

Though before I get to answering them, I do have to say, the bit on homosexuality, I nearly hurt myself laughing (I do not mean that in a mean way) I'll have to write a Hub on the misconception of the masculine and famine concerning Homosexuals by heterosexuals, (again this is not meant to cause offense or said in a mean or hurtful manner)

So to answer questions as best I can.

The Old Testament is largely based on the Jewish Holy Book the Torah. You are quite right, in that, there was the Male and Female form of God. ...So God and Goddess. The Feminine aspect of God was written out of the Torah. So that by the time Christianity hit the scene. There was only God the male form. Yup over the centuries the Torah has been edited by men.

Lilith was not Human nor made Human. Though she was known throughout the ancient world. Her vengeance and wrath are said to be so great that other lands worshiped another malevolent spirit / demon in order to protect them from Lilith.

Eve was said to be created from the Rib bone, so that she was equal to him and belonged beside him. ...Again sexual equality. It was actually Lilith in the form of a serpent that tempted Eve and Eve tempted Adam. Hence the bit where it is written the serpent's punishment was to lose its wings and crawl about the earth on its belly. The Human fall from grace, known as the original sin was not as many would believe or have you believe, eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge. The human fall from grace was caused because Both Adam and Eve lied to God. So it was lies and not as again many would have one believe it was as you put it the fault of Eve. They were both at fault equally and thus punishment. It is also a way to explain the pain of child birth, = Eves punishment Also interesting that girls develop mentally before boys do again this is put to the fact/fiction Eve ate of the fruit before Adam.

Lucifer actually means the bringer of light, and was said to be the Angel of the Morning Star. The Fall of Lucifer and his followers came about in essence out of jealousy. As God gave humans not only a soul, but also the will and freedom of choice. Unlike the Angels, who did not have a choice or a Soul as they were direct matter of The Creator. I have heard Angels are actually hermaphrodites having both male and female genitalia (how true this is I am unsure, and again much confusion about this, is due to Catholic doctrine)

The Name Jesus is actually not the correct name of the 'Son of God' a bad translation; it is most likely his name was Jacob. Messiah again is miss understood in Western culture / Christian doctrine. As Jesus was born of the house of David and in the line of Solomon making him a Priest/ Rabbi King. King Rabi = Messiah. Hence why the leaders at the time didn't really want him around. As they had a rather nice set up and deal with the then occupying Romans.

One other Note, it is most and pretty much impossible he was born in a stable. He was of royal and noble blood, and not Poor as portrayed in the Bible. Sunday as the day of worship again Man made. the first Pope as his authority on earth was to alter the day of worship from Sabbath Saturday to Sol Invictis Day Sunday. Sol Invictis meaning the Victories Sun, It’s no secret that the pope continued to worship the invincible sun up and until he lay on his death bed, when he then converted to Christianity.

The New Testament and the bible as a whole. Was written in a way to be palpable thus acceptable to its audience who were Romans. The Gospels were written hundreds of years apart, and not by the disciples of the time. When the Book of Thomas was found (a true disciple at the time of Christ) was asked of the Catholic Church would it be included, the answer no, and btw we have had that book in our vaults for years. Jesus/ Jacob had to be male. As like So many only a male can ascend the throne. Even in modern royal family’s this still applies England’s monarchy is one of a few where a woman can ascend the throne. I see I am going to have to write a few hubs on this topic as to fully answer your questions, there is no way I can fully explain all the ins and outs as a reply. But I hope this reply has had some what helped answer your questions."

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