UnPlanned and Crisis Pregnancy Help Centers

In my previous article:  Planned Parenthood Debate and What is Life I gave a synopsis of the spirit in which we come to earth.  I surmise that just stating that would turn people off, especially those who are very religious.  I do hope that some did watch the movie that I added to the article at the end.  Yes, it was a long one, more than 100 minutes.  It was well worth it though to have watched it and worth it to watch it with all the family members or group members, church members for they are all part and we are all part of that big family.

I got some great answers from a source and they helped me out tremendously on where a woman can go to get help if she find herself with an unplanned pregnancy.  I want to take all the negativity and bashing of the organization, Planned Parenthood, and turn it into a positive note.  Oh yes I have come across some people that just cannot see past the hatred and that hatred they are spreading around. They seem to have this "Tunnel Vision" and cannot for the life of them figure out that such and organization was there for a reason.  They can't seem to see the other things that this and other organization do for Women in general.

For this reason it would be a better alternative to help all those Women and the men that are involved in the pregnancy too and educate them.

We should strive to "be there" before these desperate women get to the abortion decision.

We should educate every single person about what the body does when it conceives.  This should not be exempt with age.  It should be taught in High School and in the Church at the age before their hormones rage and they find it difficult to control them.  Personally I do not think that parents will teach their children these things.  One reason is that most of them do not even know their body's themselves.  Another reason is that it matters not if they are religious or not...puberty and pregnancy is not specific.....everyone goes through puberty not matter what you believe.  It is programmed in us all.  Therefore we need to take a stand and get over ourselves and educate the younger, and older generations to know themselves and what happens with their bodies and what to expect.  The taboo of puberty and the life that changes all of us and those acts that produce unplanned pregnancies need to be lifted.  This is all natural.

An unplanned pregnancy is such a shock to some that they can't think about anything else but what they are going to do with their life and the life of the child they are carrying.  Men are directly affected by this and those who are not need more education and help.  Some greet the unplanned pregnancy with love and find that they cannot wait until the baby is born.  They have a village to support them.  Those who are in a state of shock do not or do not feel that they have support from their family, their peers or a village.  They do though, and this is why I am writing the follow-up to my article that I link at the top of this.
There is someting that can be done when a woman goes into a abortion center and I just heard about it on the radio riding in my car comeing home from my mom's and though to share it here for all to know about and spread the information.  They say is saves the mother and the baby  from abortion 80% of the time. 
Here is the linkPre-Born Donation Site
A bit about the site that is on the site:

“For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb.” Psalm 139:13 (NKJV) An ultrasound allows an abortion-minded woman to hear her baby’s heartbeat and to see the precious life within her. When that happens, 80 percent of the moms choose life!

That’s why your gift to Pre-born is so vital.

Pre-born works with hundreds of Christian Pregnancy Centers across the country providing lifesaving services including life-saving ultrasounds. Precious lives are saved, and not only that, but pre-born has seen literally thousands of women come to Christ.
I live in West Virginia and am going to share the places that help pregnant women.  Some of the links that are a source for other crisis pregnancy centers in all the states.

So here is the list and please do not hesitate to share this with others.  You never know who you will help or who needs the help.

West Virginia and Surrounding States (Ohio, Maryland and Virginia)

On this site you will find many more places for Alternatives instead of Abortion.  There are some as far as Ohio, Maryland and Virginia. Some have e-mail addresses and some have their website address so that you can research those places first.

Alternatives To Abortion

This list was last updated on 8/16/2015

ABBA Care

200 Weems Lane

Winchester, VA 22601

540-722-4844

540-665-9660 (Help Line)

http://www.abbacare.org/

Abel Center

PO Box 1164

( 201 Sylvia Lane)

Bluefield, WV 24701

304-325-8694 · 800-705-1196

www.abelcenter.org

AIM Women’s Center

PO Box 4365

( 248 N 5th St)

Steubenville, OH 43952

740-283-3636

www.aimwomenscenter.org

Birthright Centers Main Website:   www.birthright.org

Birthright of St Albans

St Albans Community Center

500 4th St

St Albans, WV 25177

304-722-2019 · 800-550-4900

Birthright of Beckley

PO Box 1942

( 400 N Vance Dr)

Beckley, WV 25802

304-253-7656 · 800-550-4900

Birthright of Huntington

709 3rd Ave

Huntington, WV 25701

304-523-1212 · 800-555-4900

Birthright of Morgantown

364 High St Ste 205

Morgantown, WV 26505

304-296-0277· 800-550-4900

Birthright of Ranson

103 South Mildred St.

Ranson, WV 25438

304-724-7015· 304-279-7185

Burlington UM Family Service Main Website:  www.bumfs.org

P O Box 69

( 1 Rainbow Lane)

Burlington, WV 26710-0069

304-289-6010

Burlington UM Family Service

900 Washington St

Charleston, WV 25301

800-296-6144

Burlington UM Family Service

RR 3 Box 346 A

Grafton, WV 26354

877-23-CHILD · 304-265-1338

Burlington UM Family Service

St Paul's UMC

105 South 2nd St. Ste. 1

Oakland, MD 21550

301-334-1285

Burlington UM Family Service

RR 3 Box 3122

Keyser, WV 26726

800-296-2342 · 304-788-2342

Care Pregnancy Center

1586 Winchester Ave

Martinsburg, WV 25401

877-901-4272 · 304-876-3598

Care Pregnancy Center WV of the Eastern Panhandle

Catholic Charities West Virginia

1218 Eoff St.

Wheeling, WV 26003

304-233-0880 ext 269

www.catholiccharitieswv.org

Central WV Center for Pregnancy Care

24 Riley Heights

Buckhannon, WV 26201

304-473-1122 · 877-472-1122

http://cwvcpc.com/

Hagerstown Area Pregnancy Center

109 W Baltimore St

Hagerstown, MD 21740

301-739-8717

www.hapconline.com

Life Choice Pregnancy Resource Center

PO Box 4223 ( 515 1/2 W Pike St)

Clarksburg, WV 26302

304-622-1953

info@lifechoiceprc.org

www.helpiampregnant.org

Mary’s Cradle

401 College Ave

Bluefield WV 24701

304-327-7757

maryscradle@frontiernet.net

www.maryscradle.com

Mountain Top Crisis Pregnancy Center Main Website: http://www.lifecall.org/shelters.html

PO Box 2441

Mountain Lake Park, MD 21550

301-334-1058 · 800-866-2400

Mountain Top Crisis Pregnancy Center Affiliate

97 N Davis Street

Keyser, WV 26726

304-788-0707· 304-788-0707

Mountain Top Crisis Pregnancy Center Affiliate

312 E Main St

Kingwood, WV 26537

304-329-1132· 304-329-1133

Mountain Top Crisis Pregnancy Center Affilate

7 South Street Suite B

Petersburg, WV 26847

304-257-2402

A New Beginning Crisis Pregnancy Center

925 8th Street

Huntington, WV 25701

304-697-0411

http://www.anewbeginningcpc.com/ 

Pregnancy Resource Center

36 Mountain Park Dr

Fairmont, WV 26554

304-363-0003

http://www.prcmc.org/

Union Mission

PO Box 112

Charleston, WV 25321

304-925-0366

www.wefeedpeople.com

Women's Care Center

2104 Dudley Ave

Parkersburg, WV 26104

800-595-7113

www.yourpregnancychoices.com

Women’s Care Center

215 Marion Street

Marietta, OH 45750

800-595-7113

http://www.womenscarecenter.org/

Life Choice, Inc. (1858)

515 1/2 West Pike St.

Clarksburg, WV 26301 US

Phone: 304-622-1953

The Gabriel Project of WV (2147)

521 Market St. #9

Parkersburg, WV 26101 US

Phone: 304-424-3457
http://gabrielwv.org/

Informed Choice Pregnancy Center (1976)

272 Locust St.

New Martinsville, WV 26155 US

Phone: 304-447-2273
http://informedchoices.org/

The Abortion Debate and What Is Life

There has been a barrage of reports coming from the Catholic Church about Planned Parenthood and their use of abortion to end the life of the baby.  They are spreading things all over the Internet about how bad it is and reprimanding anyone who choose that.  They are spreading fear and hate in an attempt to discredit anyone who believes in Pro-Choice and condemn and judges those who actually get abortions.  I think they are going about it all wrong.

Instead of judging they should be educating.  Those who sit in prayer are not doing anything to help.  I call that laziness.  They complain about it and then they sit and pray about it.  Prayer doesn't really help anyone.  Oh you may say that it helped others and it really does work.  The only way that it works is if you get off your duff and make something happen.  So in light of  that here is my view on it from my little corner of the world.

Educate the children who are going to be parents.  Most of the women who get abortions are not in front of a Television or have Internet or anything electronic.  Oh yes there is a population in every single city in the world that still has no phone or Internet.  Don't be shocked at this.  So posting all this hate and fear on the Internet, on Social Media sites and the like isn't going to be doing those who have not any good.  You must go to them.  You must teach them about their bodies.  You must show them what is going on, because many do not have the first inkling of what goes on...that includes those in schools and who have all the electronic devices and such.  Just by observing on many social media sites and one the news and so forth...many people do not know anything about having a baby. That is why it is a personal choice between her and the father of the new cells in her body.  It's not about the baby.  Think of it that way.

Just one more side of the situation.  Think about this really long and hard.  When a girl gets pregnant and wants to abort the cells that are growing inside her...it isn't about the new life or the baby.............it's about the relationship between her and the father of that growing new life.  How does the father feel about what he has done to the girl/woman?  How does she feel about what he has done to her body?

I would like to offer you a video that teaches an educates about the woman's body, what happens at the moment of conception and then on to the moths after and the baby is born.  Perhaps this method of educating them will make a more personal experience.  I remember in High School that they taught all about the reproduction system in our bodies.  Well, it was not personal.  I don't mean to go out and do the acts of how to conceived.  I am saying that it was a text book based learning. We didn't have these wonderful videos that we have now 20-30 years ago.  This is real life stuff.  Make it even more real is to have a pregnant woman in the classroom or the church that is pregnant enough that the baby is kicking and moving about.  Let the children (all the way up to 18 year old, is a child to me), feel the life in that woman's body.  Make it personal.  Don't chide or judge because this is a part of life and everyone is a part of it.

Enjoy the Video and spread it around.  I mean spread it around in the Church and in schools and even in the parts of the nations and cities that don't have access to these.

Do something. 

EDUCATE!

The video is 100 minutes long, so go get some popcorn and a drink and enjoy.

For a List of Pregnancy and Crisis Pregnancy centers in WV please visit my next article post:

http://thedivinedispatch.blogspot.com/2015/08/unplanned-and-crisis-pregnancy-help.html

Men and Women Ownership Rights?

Masters Are Not Above Their Servants

You Do Not Own Me

"You Don’t Own Me"  by Leslie Gore inspired me to write about ownership of others. 

Here, you can listen to it for yourself

We don't own others

I can tell you that no one person, especially MEN, can own another person. Not in today’s world. If you think about it they could not totally own women in biblical times or before that time either. Each person comes into the world free of religion or any beliefs until it is pressed upon them. Each individual will die and pass on to another realm or do nothing, depending on what those living believe. The individual does it alone and is not owned by anyone or anything.
Biblical verse to prove this:
"Matthew 10:24-33 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 `A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his lord; sufficient to the disciple that he may be as his teacher, and the servant as his lord; if the master of the house they did call Beelzeboul, how much more those of his household?

'Ye may not, therefore, fear them, for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known; that which I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light, and that which you hear at the ear, proclaim on the house-tops.

`And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.

`Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;  and of you -- even the hairs of the head are all numbered; be not therefore afraid, than many sparrows ye are better.

`Every one, therefore, who shall confess in me before men, I also will confess in him before my Father who is in the heavens; and whoever shall deny me before men, I also will deny him before my Father who is in the heavens."

MEN

Now in the song Leslie Gore was talking about men who think that they have the right to own a girl and tell her what she can and cannot do. Wow, that song was put out in the 1960’s and it is still true to this day. Time has not changed these things. Those of us women are told and suppressed still. We are still not created or treated equally. My has time ever changed lots of things but not this one. Although we have made strides, many things have not improved. They may have changed, but I see little improvement, especially by these fanatical men.

I did write another article and it was inspired by some women that think that men have the right to rape, assault and suppress them in any manner they want. They use the Bible to somehow make sense of all this. News Flash! The bible was written and put together by men who were tired of the supremacy of women and a woman culture. 

Women have been torn apart from religious leadership since the first meeting to canonize the Bible in 300 A.D, during the Council of Laodicea.  Women were first stricken from having any type of religious leadership in the church. They weren’t allowed to preside or have any kind or type of leadership in any church. They were not even allowed to approach the Alter.

In the 4th century, at the 4th Synode of Carthage, it was set in doctrine and dogma any “holy” woman could not teach men could not baptize others.

In 451 CE it was put in the Canon that women under the age of 40 could not be a deacon of the church. This was a low blow to women as well because this stopped the progression of deacons to the priesthood.

What Went Wrong

This all happened some 300 years after the death of Christ. Well Jesus loved women and he treated them equally and he taught about equality. What happened in those 400 years that went so wrong and that men thought that they could treat women so badly? It is not only in Christianity, but also in Islamic societies as well.

Men Hate Women

I am going to come out and say this. Men hate and fear women. Oh there will be those who say I am wrong and it is not biblical, but their actions do speak volumes. All one has to do is going around the men that try their best to suppress women on Hubpages. I cannot mention names, but they know who they are. Some will tell you that we women are the cause of the destruction of this country. Some say that what we say is not biblical. There are so many that are taught that women has their place and it isn’t having a voice. That is what this country was made for…the absence of tyrannical persons and rule. Religious freedom also includes all people being able to worship or not anything that they want. There is no set rule as to what or who that should be. We do not live in the age when women were taken out of leadership roles in their own religions. It was a nice gesture to have the bill of rights, in the USA, give women equal rights. Some men just cannot stand the taste of that and will try their best to suppress women who use their voice and will have their say.

Some Recent Past and Current Women as Heads of State (Presidents)

Name	Year(s)	Country
President Marie-Louise	April 2014	Malta
Catherine Samba-Panza	Acting Head of State January 23, 2014	Central African Republic
Capitano Reggente Anna Maria Muccioli	January 10, 2013 - January, 4.2014	San Marino
President Park Geun-hye	February 25, 2013	South Korea
President Joyce Banda	July 4, 2012	Malawi
President of the Confederation Eveline Widmer-Sclumpf	January 1, 2012	Switzerland

A Worldwide List of Women Presidents        Female Presidents

Conclusion

The more men hate this and show it in their words and actions the more we are going to speak up for the truth that is within us too. You will never shut us up and you must get over that. In case you have not noticed women do have political power and are in leadership roles of such, not only in the USA but other countries as well. It is not an EGO thing like some claim it is. The more they insist the more they look silly.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_11.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/femclrg5.htm

© Debra K. Allen a.k.a Lady Guinevere

Gender Equality in Biblical Times

Women In The Bible That Held High Offices And Gender Equality 

Did women of the Biblical times hold high offices that were equal to man? 

Certainly that is a question posed by all women. In some religious denominations such as Roman Catholic, The Church of Later Day Saints and some Pentecostal Churches. So lets see if this is true according to the Bible itself and biblical history.

I often wonder how their church gets them to believe anything that the priest, minister, pastor says above all else. Surely it has to be some kind of brain-washing because they are taught to read their Bibles and adhere to their doctrine. They seem to gloss over any roles in the Bible that women played that equaled that of man. There were a few stories in the Bible itself of women who were equalled in the responsibility of preaching/teaching and prophesying. Jesus was a supporter for gender equality. He did have women disciples and one of their story is brought to life in this hub along with another that was in the Old Testament.

According to Laurence Gardner, in his book The Bloodline of the Holy Grail The Hidden Lineage of Jesus, he states: 
"The first criterion was that the New Testament Gospels must be written in the names of Jesus' own apostles. Matthew was, of course, an apostle, as was John - but Mark was not an apostle of Jesus as far as we know, neither was Luke; they were both colleagues of the later St. Paul. Thomas and Philip, on the other hand, were among the original twelve, and yet the Gospels in their names were excluded. Not only that but, along with various other texts, they was sentenced to be destroyed. And so, throughout the Mediterranean world, numerous unapproved books were buried and hidden in the 5th century.

Although many of these books were not rediscovered until the 20th century, they were used openly by the early Christians. Certain of them, including the Gospels mentioned, along with the Gospel of Truth, the Gospel of the Egyptians and others, were actually mentioned in the 2nd-century writings of early churchmen such as Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus of Lyon and Origen of Alexandria.

So, why were these and other apostolic Gospels not selected? Because there was a second, far more important criterion to consider - the criterion by which, in truth, the Gospel selection was really made. It was, in fact, a wholly sexist regulation which precluded anything that upheld the status of women in Church or community society. Indeed, the Church's own Apostolic Constitutions were formulated on this basis. They state: "We do not permit our women to teach in the Church, only to pray and to hear those who teach. Our master, when he sent us the twelve, did nowhere send out a woman - for the head of the woman is the man, and it is not reasonable that the body should govern the head".

This was an outrageous statement with no apparent foundation, but it was for this very reason that dozens of Gospels were not selected, because they made it quite clear that there were many active women in the ministry of Jesus - women such as Mary Magdalene, Martha, Helena-Salome, Mary-Jacob Cleopas and Joanna. These were not only ministering disciples, but priestesses in their own right, running exemplary schools of worship in the Nazarene tradition.

The Church was so frightened of women that it implemented a rule of celibacy for its priests - a rule that became a law in 1138; a rule that persists today. But this rule has never been quite what it appears on the surface, for it was never sexual activity as such that bothered the Church. The more specific problem was priestly intimacy with women. Why? Because women become mothers, and the very nature of motherhood is a perpetuation of bloodlines. It was this that caused such concern - a taboo subject which, at all costs, had to be separated from the necessary image of Jesus.

We have all learned to go along with what we are taught about the Gospels "

Also in the Bible women were exalted and praised for their contribution to their families and society of that time. You can read that in Proverbs 31.

Pentecostal Beliefs

According to ALLSANDS the pentecostal church and it's beliefs and teachings is very rigid. One author describes the doctrine in this way. "They are fundamentalists with a narrow interpretation of the Bible. There is no room for smokers, drinkers, gamblers or worldly movies. These are vices that will keep you from Heaven and membership in the Church. Questionable pagan celebrations like Halloween are ignored. While "grace" is an essential element of most Christian doctrine, I find that Pentecostals, more than most, are legalistic and exclusive. They have the answers and all other churches are suspect in many areas. Behavior is closely scrutinized in the light of their own orthodoxy. If you're not willing to quit smoking or buying lottery tickets, I recommend leaving because you will never become one with them. "

Here is what Pentecostal Denominations believe in regards to women:

"Pentecostalism" espouses religion as a "romantic" philosophy, that the heart of man has reasons which his mind knows not of, and that man's feelings are the highest authority.

Pentecostalism believes and teaches that women may participate in leading in prayer, teaching, and preaching in public, and doing the work of an evangelist and teacher.

1. The Holy Spirit contrasted the duties of men from that of women in public prayer. (1 Tim 2:8-15).

2. Women are to learn in silence. (1 Cor 14:34). They are not to teach in any capacity over a man.

3. Women may teach younger women. (Titus 2:4). They may teach a man in private. (Acts 18:25).

a. Timothy was taught in private. Apollos was taught in private.

4. Women many not "teach" (deliver discourses). Women are forbidden to preach. (1 Cor. 14:34)

Roman Catholic Beliefs

In an article about Women's rights in the Roman Catholic Church these are the stipulations of what role a woman is in the church function and household.

""As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. . . . what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord." (1 Cor 14:33-35, 37)"

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." (1 Tim 2:11-12) 

"Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:22) 

Women are not to be in an political, police, or a soldier. They are not to teach adult men or have any kind of authority over a man weather it be in the home or in the workplace.The article goes on and on and the website even has tings such as how a woman is to dress.

You can also read about two Nun's stories about how they came away from being a NUN in the Catholic Church: Mary C. Hertel and Mary Ann Collins

The Church Of The Latter Day Saints - Mormons

In an article by Maxine Hanks, a former Mormon, PERSPECTIVE ON MORMON WOMEN, A Struggle to Reclaim Authority she states that the roles of women in the Church has changed. Here is some of what she wrote:

"Mormon women obtained authority early in the history of the church and then fought a losing battle to keep it. Their concerns were not taken seriously, so men's authority prevailed. Feminism emerged in the struggle, in the energy of women's rhetoric and work and in their resistance to male agendas. "

"During the first 20 years of Mormonism, from 1830 to 1850, women received authority for blessings, healing and prophecy; priesthood keys, powers and rituals; and missionary calls.

"In 1884, Eliza R. Snow, "prophetess" and president over all women and girls in the church, made it clear that the women's Relief Society, which she headed, was "designed to be a self-governing organization. "If difficulties arise," she wrote, ". . . the matter should be referred to (the) president and her counselors." Later, when men assumed governance over women, they usurped women's authority."

It seems to me that the Church went through some sort of metamorphosis when it came to women's roles. I am not sure if that was due to societal influence or not. It is obvious that the roles of women in the church have changed drastically though and the men seem to love that power and will not go back to the way it used to be. Women were equals to their husband in every way and now they are deemed different. Makes a person wonder what happened.

Deborah -Prophetess and Judge Over Israel

Deborah Prophetess

The book of Judges, Chapter 4and 5 tells the story of Deborah chosen by GOD to be the Judge and prophetess of Israel.

Verses 4 and 5 states who she is and her role as an equal to men of that time:

⁴And Deborah, a woman inspired, wife of Lapidoth, she is judging Israel at that time,

⁵and she is dwelling under the palm-tree of Deborah, between Ramah and Beth-El, in the hill-country of Ephraim, and the sons of Israel go up unto her for judgment.

Please read the whole chapter and not just these two verses. It completes that part of her story.

Deborah as the Judge of Israel counsels Barak and he defeated Sisera and
freed Israel from the tyranny of the Canaanite King Yavin. She was the only female to hold such a high office, equalling that of an man of Israel. The men were to unwilling to hold hat position. Since the laws of that time forbade women to be alone in a house with a man she would sit under a tree for those to come to her for judgment.

Deborah is but one of the 5 women prophetesses and many others that were of notable, mentioned in the Bible. There were many more. You can find the list of names and a short bio of each on the site Notable Women Of The Bible. She prophesied that if she went with Barak into battle that Sisera would be delivered into a woman's hands. And so Barak asked that she go with him and she did and the Canaanites were delivered into her hands. She would be considered the real leader of Israel....and so she was.

Her song of victory is the whole of Judges Chapter 5.
Her song is one of the greatest of ancient literature. in the Bible. What a great song it is.

Dorcas/Tabitha Disciple of Christ

Tabitha a Disciple of Christ

In Acts 9, there is a story of a woman by the name of Tabitha or Dorcas as she would have been called in those days. She was raised from the dead by Peter. Here is the story of Tabitha. She was indeed a disciple of Christ with the other men and held in that office with Peter's help.

³⁶And in Joppa there was a certain female disciple, by name Tabitha, (which interpreted, is called Dorcas,) this woman was full of good works and kind acts that she was doing;

³⁷and it came to pass in those days she, having ailed, died, and having bathed her, they laid her in an upper chamber,

³⁸and Lydda being nigh to Joppa, the disciples having heard that Peter is in that [place], sent two men unto him, calling on him not to delay to come through unto them.

³⁹And Peter having risen, went with them, whom having come, they brought into the upper chamber, and all the widows stood by him weeping, and shewing coats and garments, as many as Dorcas was making while she was with them.

⁴⁰And Peter having put them all forth without, having bowed the knees, did pray, and having turned unto the body said, `Tabitha, arise;' and she opened her eyes, and having seen Peter, she sat up,

⁴¹and having given her [his] hand, he lifted her up, and having called the saints and the widows, he presented her alive,

The Verse They Use in Error

This be the verse that they pull from the whole story: 1 Timothy 2 12-14 (italicized and underlined) to prove their point but if you read the whole chapter it is revealed that women are equal to the man. It even goes to say that women are saved through child-birth. I will not go into why some women cannot have children and if they are not saved or not. That is another subject matter altogether.

The whole chapter for your edification:

1 Timothy 2

¹I exhort, then, first of all, there be made supplications, prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, for all men:

²for kings, and all who are in authority, that a quiet and peaceable life we may lead in all piety and gravity,

³for this [is] right and acceptable before God our Saviour,

⁴who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

⁵for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

⁶who did give himself a ransom for all -- the testimony in its own times --

⁷in regard to which I was set a preacher and apostle -- truth I say in Christ, I do not lie -- a teacher of nations, in faith and truth.

⁸I wish, therefore, that men pray in every place, lifting up kind hands, apart from anger and reasoning;

⁹in like manner also the women, in becoming apparel, with modesty and sobriety to adorn themselves, not in braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or garments of great price,

¹⁰but -- which becometh women professing godly piety -- through good works.

¹¹Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection,

¹²and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness,

¹³for Adam was first formed, then Eve,

¹⁴and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came,

¹⁵and she shall be saved through the child-bearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.

A PARTING VERSE FROM PSALMS 68

¹⁰Thy company have dwelt in it, Thou preparest in Thy goodness for the poor, O God.

 ¹¹The Lord doth give the saying, The female proclaimers [are] a numerous host.

 ¹²Kings of hosts flee utterly away, And a female inhabitant of the house apportioneth spoil.

 ¹³Though ye do lie between two boundaries, Wings of a dove covered with silver, And her pinions with yellow gold.